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The forums of Men's Rights guys are a seething mass of misogyny, full of revenge fantasies and tacit to open advocacy of violence. Alpha Male is a favorite word, a way to signal allegiance to the cause when used with certain rhetoric.

Elliot Rodgers was a men's rights guy, a resentful "incel" and self proclaimed alpha male. His language, tone and internet behavior all reflect his connection. Even his alleged hate of pickup artists was fury at their methods not working; the PUAhate group he belonged to was full of violent misogyny.

The persistent undertone of violence of men right's types is undeniable. Paul Elam, leader of a Voice For Men, started an enemies list site, which included personal information, and described his mission this way way:
I find you, as a feminist, to be a loathsome, vile piece of human garbage. I find you so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection...We are coming for you, and we are coming for all the liars out there that have been ruining people’s lives with impunity...You are SO fucked.
Men's rights inspired violence is an ongoing pattern. One example: Darren Mack, who murdered his ex-wife after and tried to kill the judge on his divorce case was a rabid men's rights activist who was represented by father's rights crusader Dean Tong (who tried to distance himself after).

Now it's happened again and they are all pissy that people are accurately observing over the top internet tough guy talk about making women pay is intrinsic to the movement and the only thing they do consistently despite pretending to care about other issues. Boo hoo. That's your bed boys, lie in it.

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Date: 2014-05-25 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quirkytizzy.livejournal.com
What a loser that kid was. Very glad he's dead. Only a pussy kills people because they can't get any pussy themselves. An asshole like that doesn't need to be walking on this planet, spewing his stupid bullshit out for other people to hear.

Unfortunately, he's made himself a martyr for all the MRA idiots. Ugh.

Also FUCK the whole "incel" bullshit. I have rarely seen so much entitlement going on than in that crowd. Can't get a date? Tough shit, ball up and masturbate like the rest of us, you whiny losers.

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Date: 2014-05-25 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
Amen on that last one! Fucking is not food, water or air - it's an entirely optional experience requiring two or more people consenting and thus we have hands and an imagination. I'm amazed that all those dudes who offer up bullshit fake evolutionary excuses for why they are better than women haven't considered that we evolved the ability to masturbate because not having someone to fuck is as natural as fucking. But when this comes up, what's natural doesn't matter and it's about magical entitlement.

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Date: 2014-05-26 03:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
The more I think about it it's not about having sex so much as it is about impressing other men by being able to bag The Hottest Babe.

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Date: 2014-05-25 10:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gonzo21.livejournal.com
This is the one major down side of the internet I think. It's allowed these sorts of extremist hate groups to form, letting individual find each other and forming communities where they can reinforce each other in their wonky beliefs.

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Date: 2014-05-25 04:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] al-zorra.livejournal.com
Anybody who self-describes as "alpha male" reveals he's anything but, I started to remark to My Personal Person earlier today, immediately followed by the declaration in unison, " the concept alpha male is such a crock."

However, it is deeply distressing - depressing to see these guys twisting all over the internet in response to op-eds and so on written about what happened in Santa Barbara, that the writer is full of you know what, a lousy thinker and wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, even bringing out some self-proclaimed autistics claiming the shooter as one of their own and the fault was that his community hadn't him to self-express in the way he needed.

Wasn't it more that the fellow was mentally ill, which condition allowed him to be bullied (by guys), allowed to own guns and focused his mental illness on women not wanting to be with him because of all the above?

I've wondered too, with his father being a part of the Hollywood film / television industry, which so focuses on women and their appearances as part of the keeping score and reward of success, and how they are treated in the industry -- could that have contributed to his focus on women=sex as his right and entitlement?

IOW, this is a violently sick and toxic culture in which we are swimming, but we refuse to make the connections.

Love, C.

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Date: 2014-05-25 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gordonzola.livejournal.com
I had to look up "Incel." My god...

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Date: 2014-05-26 03:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne-jumps.livejournal.com
I have literally seen some dudes saying that because four of the six dead are men, he was not misogynist.